So Measles has been in the news for a bit. I tried to tune it out with so much going on but I was just reviewing an old post of mine and decided to weigh in and bump it
Apparently we have had 2 deaths from an outbreak in New Mexico and Texas . One is an Adult whose diagnosis of Measles came during an autopsy. We don’t know details of this persons death or health condition before he died other than we was unvaccinated. How old was he, did he have cancer, how do we know he was unvaccinated, etc.
Another was an unvaccinated school age child. We don’t know how healthy this child was or what treatment was given.
RFK Jr has not seen fit to enlighten us but he did post an oped whose headline said MMR Vaccine was crucial to stopping the outbreak. While he was unlikely responsible for the headline by Fox News his oped did nothing to discourage anyone from getting it
As I wrote in a tweet those infected may now be considered vaccinated. Viruses are natures vaccine.
I may have got the MMR Vaccine when it first came out in High School. Somehow I had escaped Measles or Mumps and the Doc treating me for a cut probably thought it was a good idea. I have an awful memory . Not long after I started bruising badly and was diagnosed with Idiopathic Thrombocytopenia Purpura (ITP). My spleen was eating my platelets. After months taking steroids without success the Docs at a famous Boston hospital decided to remove my spleen. A useless organ they said. Problem solved. Never gave the vax a thought. Idiopathic means cause unknown. Bad genes or something.
Years later I discovered the spleen is pretty important for your immune system. I also discovered MMR can cause ITP, although its rare. 1/20,000 kids get ITP today although perhaps not all due to MMR
Anyways, MMR is probably safe on its own although but with all the vaccines kids get and reluctance by Doctors to report post vaccination events on VAERS its hard to know for sure. I had to get a MMR as an older adult for a visa because I had low levels of antibodies due to my presumed vaxxed immunity had waned. The low level of antibodies despite never having had measles is evidence I was vaccinated. Two years later I was diagnosed with kidney cancer. I cant say it was the MMR but….
Anyways, my older post reminded me of this
2021/09/17 - President Biden signed Executive Order 14047, adding measles to the list of quarantinable communicable diseases authorizing HHS Secretary to use force to apprehend and detain people under 42 USC 264(b)and 42 CFR 70.6. 86 Federal Register 52591.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2021-09-22/pdf/2021-20629.pdf
Could this be the Disease X they are planning for?
I checked with ChatGBT to see if Trump revoked it.
As of March 9, 2025, there is no public record indicating that Executive Order 14047 has been revoked. Recent executive orders have revoked other orders, such as Executive Order 14042 and Executive Order 14043, but Executive Order 14047 remains in effect.
Anyways, my old post was rather long, beastly long so I will extract the bit of it I find most interesting. Its still a bit long though. Made a couple of minor edits for clarity.
“The virus is remarkably stable based on genomic studies over the last 60 years. According to a recent study it cant change much to evade immunity or it would or it would lose its ability to affect humans.
Measles has 8 Proteins unlike Sars-Cov-2 which has 29 proteins. With Sars-Cov-2 we all know about the Spike Protein. The S1 part of the spike has the RBD which determines what receptors in can bind to and determined if it can attach to human receptors. The FCS at the S1/S2 junction allows for cell fusion.
With Measles its the H Protein that allows for receptor binding and F protein that allows for cell fusion which gets the RNA into the cell.
Thats all you need to know for what follows
MeV has numerous immunologically codominant antigenic sites on its H and F surface glycoproteins.
Second, antibodies to each of the seven known antigenic regions on the H glycoprotein are capable of neutralizing virus infectivity.
Third, MeVs retaining even a single immunodominant antigenic site on the H glycoprotein remain fully susceptible to neutralization by measles immune human serum.
Fourth, the receptor binding surface of the MeV-H glycoprotein is itself an immunodominant antigenic site.
Hence, MeVs cannot escape their susceptibility to neutralization by measles-immune human serum unless they also lose their tropism for the pathogenicity-determining receptors SLAMF1 and nectin-4.
Given that a minimum of five immunodominant antigenic sites must be disrupted to affect the susceptibility of MeV-H to serum neutralization, the probability of it happening naturally is vanishingly small.
Further, simultaneous disruption of fewer than five major antigenic sites would confer no selective advantage on the virus, making stepwise evolution an unrealistic pathway to achieve a neutralization-resistant phenotype.
However, even a MeV insensitive to anti-MeV-H antibodies would still be efficiently neutralized by MeV-F-specific antibodies in immune human sera and, even more critical, would lack the SLAMF1 and nectin-4 receptor tropisms required for pathogenicity and transmission.
In addition, the requirement of H-F cooperation in fusion triggering is likely an additional constraint to antigenic evolution.
We therefore conclude that there is a near-zero probability for the accidental emergence of a pathogenic MeV capable of evading vaccine-induced immunity.
The only way it could mutate to avoid immunity and be infectious would be recombination with another virus
Although we elucidated the low probability that a new MeV serotype could evolve naturally by mutation and selection, we cannot exclude the possibility that MeV could undergo a recombination event with a related paramyxovirus to acquire new F and H glycoproteins that are serologically non cross-reactive with the MeV F and H glycoproteins, escaping antibody neutralization by a different mechanism.
In order to prove this…..Here, to elucidate the serotypic constraints on MeV evolution, we introduced mutated H glycoproteins into a vaccine-lineage MeV strain using reverse genetics
In another part of the experiment
….we substituted the MeV-F gene with the corresponding gene from canine distemper virus (CDV).
Mutations were introduced into the CDV-F and MeV-H coding sequences to restore and optimize the fusogenicity of this heterologous F/H pairing. This virus, hereafter called MR (Moraten resurfaced), was subjected to Sanger sequencing and protein composition analysis to confirm its identity.
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medicine/fulltext/S2666-3791(21)00041-0
Nipah virus is in the Paramyxoviridae family like Measles , although not the same genus, and it is carried by bats, which do not seem to get sick from it but can carry the virus across regions and continents as they excrete it in their droppings and other bodily fluids.
You will be happy to know that one of DARPA’s PREEMPT Awards went to a group at RML working on Nipah Viruses, right here in the USA, Montana to be precise. So if a Measles virus suddenly acquires Nipah H glycoproteins don’t be too surprised.
TBH, I have no idea if such a thing is possible with Nipah, probably not, but you get the point. There are lots of viruses they can play with thanks to PREDICT, PREEMPT, CREID, GVP, etc
But if so, maybe Oxfords or the new Moderna Nipah vaccines currently under development will provide protection against a Measles-Nipah chimera and prevent us all from getting Measles-AIDS
https://bionet-asia.com/oxford-starts-human-testing-of-nipah-virus-vaccine/
But lets consider this remarkable Measles Virus that is so stable and only infects humans (no animal reservoir). Once immune after being infected, always immune. Our immune system has been dealing with this virus for 2,500 years and has plenty of time to evolve to snuff it out. It hasn’t. Why not, perhaps its protective in some way, you know, like removing pre-cancerous immune cells in children before they develop into blood (hematological) cancers and providing heterologous immunity, while not being very dangerous to the well nourished child
Maybe Measles was a friend and not a Foe. Now we went out and through sheer ignorance knowing squat about the Immune System committed Virus Genocide (Virocide?) and wiped out 2500 years of developed Human Adult herd immunity.
Now we depend on the Jab, but how protective will they be in our old age? Remember, Measles was so prevalent among children that Adults were being constantly boosted throughout their lifetime keeping their immunity strong. What happens to the MMR Vaccinated when they reach 60+? Would a booster even work?
So anyways, its comforting to know the Wild Type Virus is so stable and unlikely to naturally evolve or mutate to escape our immunity. Even those with waning immunity will still have some immunity which presumably results in lesser disease severity
But there seems to be an awful lot of virus engineering surrounding Measles Virus for Cancer. What if Measles can be engineered to be more dangerous to the Unvaxxed, perhaps by genetically modifying it so it uses different receptors
Or what if animal morbilliviruses can be engineered to jump to humans, requiring another vaccine. Morbillivirus is a genus of viruses in the order Mononegavirales, in the family Paramyxoviridae
So, what's stopping animal morbilliviruses cropping up in humans?
"A major factor is likely to be pre-existing immunity, where natural infection or vaccination against measles provides a pool of antibodies, some of which cross-react and prevent infection by non-human morbilliviruses", explained Dr Bailey.
The researchers that I have spoken to are quick to highlight what happened in cattle when rinderpest vaccination stopped following its eradication.
"The net effect of rinderpest eradication was that there was no herd immunity to morbillivirus in cattle worldwide," said Dr Bailey.
There's one obvious lesson from rinderpest eradication - that declining measles immunity will mean humans are susceptible to other morbilliviruses.
Of course, we can't predict which, or even if, a virus would emerge. But reported infections in monkeys makes CDV a prime candidate.
How it might behave if it does make the switch to humans is difficult to predict.
"Although measles infection can have devastating complications, this is rarer compared to CDV and some of the other morbilliviruses which normally produce severe disease in their natural hosts," said Prof Cosby.
"CDV is very virulent and normally will infect the brain in the later stages of the disease, whereas with measles this is a rare, but really dangerous event."
"This is not the only cause of death, as all morbilliviruses, including CDV, cause immune suppression in their host, which can lead to secondary bacterial infections, giving rise particularly to pneumonia and in some cases diarrhoea. So, CDV is a pretty nasty disease," she said.
Some think that continued use of the measles vaccine might be sufficient to protect against a possible jump into humans by CDV, but Prof Cosby isn't as convinced:
"Although measles antibodies cross-react with CDV, they're not a perfect match; whilst measles vaccine helps to protect against CDV disease in non-human primates it does not totally stop virus being released from these animals.
"So, we may need to use a more CDV-specific vaccine to prevent any potential spread of CDV in the human population".
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50839868.amp
Anyways, lets get back to the Measles Outbreak (2024)
Its interesting that they don’t tell you much about those coming down with measles, such as their age, although WHO did provide some information on the European outbreak
Here is what WHO has to say
Over 30 000 measles cases were reported by 40 of the Region’s 53 Member States between January and October 2023. Compared to 941 cases reported in all of 2022, this represents a more than 30-fold rise.
We have seen in the Region not only a 30-fold increase in measles cases, but also nearly 21 000 hospitalizations and 5 measles-related deaths.
So this is interesting . The CFR is 0.02% (1/6000 deaths), which means they are pretty much detecting and reporting all measles cases so its more of an IFR. But the hospitalization rate is a whopping 70%.
WTF?
In the 1960’s about 1-2% of those with measles would be hospitalized, mostly due to pneumonia.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4007870/
Is Measles becoming more dangerous as a result of vaccination?
A 1994 report stated that, in developed countries like the US, “the measles fatality rate was 1 per 10,000 cases …
By 1990 the death rate had risen “dramatically” to 3.2 deaths per 1,000 reported cases, “reflecting the increased incidence of measles infection in infants and adults relative to children older than 1 year of age.
https://doi.org/10.1001/archinte.1994.00420160048006
According to CDC data, from 1999 through 2017, there were 12 deaths in the US for which the underlying cause was determined to be measles. Two cases were infants under one year of age, two others were children aged one to four, and the remaining two-thirds of cases were adults aged twenty-five or older. During the same period, there were 2,393 reported cases of measles. Hence, more recent data show a still-increasing death rate of about 5 deaths per 1,000 reported cases.
In modern times CDC says the hospitalization of confirmed measles is 20%, with only 5% coming down with pneumonia.
So that 70% explanation rate needs explanation. Might be what you would expect in a cohort of AIDS patients
In the 1960’s doctors were less likely to report unless it was a serious case or it was dx in hospital, whereas today Doctors have been brainwashed into believing Measles is more serious and more likely to hospitalize measles cases, hence the 20% reported by CDC might be Doctors being over cautious.
Overall, 2 in 5 death cases were among children 1 to 4 years of age, and 1 in 5 death cases were among adults 20 years and older.
Now 20% of Measles Cases in Adults cant be explained by reduced vaccination in children. It means many Adults no longer have immunity to Measles that they had in the prevaccination era.
https://www.nfid.org/infectious-disease/measles/
The worst measles outbreak of recent memory in the US was the 2015 Disneyland outbreak. According to data from the California Department of Public Health, the majority of cases weren’t even occurring in children, but in adults.
Back in the day when pretty much everyone got measles it was pretty much limited to those between 1-12 years old, thus providing lifelong immunity.
Young mothers transferred their immunity to infants protecting them in their first year of life when Measles can be quite severe.
Older people were protected because of lifelong immunity from their childhood measles, and frequent boosting from circulating measles virus among children. Those few who were susceptible would also suffer more severe disease.
Out of 4 million cases a year (only 400,000 confirmed), only 400 would die (CFR-0.1% IFR 0.01%) with 80,000 hospitalized (IHR 2%, CHR 20%).
Those hospitalized would be due mainly to pneumonia. We now know this rate can be reduced by taking Vitamin A as those who suffer from Vitamin A deficiency suffer more serious disease. This is why measles is so much more deadly in the 3rd World
Early in the 20th century Measles was also quite deadly in US, due to vitamin deficiency and lack of antibiotics. By the 1950’s it became a disease of little consequence. Unfortunately, with any disease there will be a few who suffer more.
As mentioned Measles first came to humans over 2500 years ago.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba9411
Also, Measles disease is a systemic disease although it first infects the upper respiratory disease where it then proceeds to your lymph nodes and disseminates through your system
It targets immune cells like HIV , yet unlike HIV it targets a broader selection of immune cells and the immune system is able to destroy the virus, so its immune suppression is only transient.
Remarkably, children who are not able to generate antibodies are able to defeat the virus, which means its T-Cells and Innate immunity doing most of the work.
The antibodies generated during the disease seem to be mostly to prevent reinfection, and these antibodies provide lifelong immunity to this very stable virus that it unable to mutate itself to escape immunity
As such its a perfect virus for a IM Vaccine to provide systemic immunity. Yet, unlike natural infection, the vaccine is unlikely to provide lifelong immunity, at least not for everyone.
Excerpt from Suzanne Humphries Dissolving Illusions
Because measles-specific antibody titer after vaccination is lower than after natural infection, there is concern that vaccinated persons may gradually lose protection from measles.
Secondary vaccine failure (loss of immunity over time), in contrast to primary vaccine failure (no protection immediately after vaccination), is a concern because of the potential insidious challenge to measles elimination. For instance, if vaccine- induced immunity wane to nonprotective levels in a high proportion of vaccinated adults, the level of population protection might decline to allow recurrence of endemic disease.
By means of statistical modeling, Mossong et al. predicted waning of vaccine-induced immunity 25 years after immunization.
The estimate of 25 years for waning vaccine immunity is generous. Reports of waning immunity or vaccine failure, even with the live vaccines, show that immunity can wane in as few as 10 years.
A 2009 study published in Proceedings of the Royal Society investigated what could happen with waning measles vaccine immunity even with high vaccine coverage among children. They predicted that, after a long disease-free period in the population, the introduction of infection will lead to far larger epidemics than predicted by standard models.
We can foresee that vaccination will have two conflicting effects... it will reduce the number of newborn susceptibles and hence should have some of the usual associated public-health benefits reducing the number of cases in young children. However, this reduction in cases will lead to a reduction in boosting and therefore a greater susceptibility to infection in older age classes... When immunity wanes, vaccination has a far more limited impact on the average number of cases. While this observation has clear public-health implications, the dynamic consequences of the interaction between vaccination, waning immunity and boosting are far more striking.
For high levels of vaccination (greater than 80%) and moderate levels of waning immunity (greater than 30 years), large-scale epidemic cycles can be induced.
Levy estimated in a 1984 report that by 2050 the proportion of susceptibles may be greater than in the pre-vaccine era. His computer model, while unproven in 1984, has come to pass as very accurate, since it predicted the epidemics of the year 2000.
Boosters
Even after 2 doses its estimated 3% are still susceptible to infection, which is why they want 95-100% to be vaccinated.
in 1989 where the CDC required everyone to get two measles vaccinations and that increased immunity significantly.
If you get just one shot, your immunity is about 93% against measles. But if you get a second shot, it's 97% and above. They found that difference of four or five percent made a huge impact in preventing people from getting measles.
Even more problematic, is those vaccinated between 1963-1989 with only 1 shot probably wont have immunity as they age. The inactivated Measles Vaccine between 1963-1967 was very ineffective, and the live attenuated vaccine used was unstable if not refrigerated. The stability problem was corrected in 1980.
So articles like this are appearing
Babies under a year of age cannot receive MMR, so they are the most vulnerable. Opting for adult MMR helps protect those babies from measles, and it helps prevent rubella in pregnant women and their babies.
It would be a tragedy for the world to return to the days of uncontrolled measles epidemics due to sustained vaccine hesitancy over MMR. Let’s get herd immunity against measles back up to where it should be by choosing adult MMR.
https://theconversation.com/measles-is-the-most-infectious-disease-known-to-science-adults-should-consider-getting-another-mmr-vaccine-221291
Of course, nobody ever talks about the risks. Frankly, Measles Vaccine is probably a safe and relatively effective vaccine for most people, taken alone. But that still leaves some who wont do well by taking it at such a young age, younger than most getting naturally infected. Also, there has never been study on the safety of all of these vaccines taken in combination”
End Excerpt
So we are probably stuck with relying on Vaccines for immunity to Measles. We have successfully wiped out herd immunity to wild typed measles. What an awful result of Medieval Science. I say Medieval because in the 1960’s our understanding of virology and immunology was not much better than in the Dark Ages, an unwelcome truth Scientists try to hide as even today there are more known unknowns and unknown unknowns than they care to admit to.
Coming soon will be mandates for Adult Measles Vaccinations since those who escaped natural infection between age 45-67 are likely susceptible due to being undervaxxed and immune systems and immunity decline with age. At some point soon the truth will become exposed. To prevent that they may need to come up with a cover. A new Measles Virus or Measles Like Virus from GOF (recombination with other virus in the Paramyxoviridae family) or adoption of animal morbillivirus like CDV to humans and mandates for a vaccine that protect from Measles and the Disease X.
Hope I am wrong, but something to watch out for.
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