Clean Break With Zelensky/Ukraine?
So we all know about that Zelensky-Trump presser.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2025/02/28/trump-zelenskyy-vance-face-off-in-oval-office-shouting-match-heres-everything-they-said/
What exactly happened here? Here are my thoughts which seems to differ from takes by others.
Trump knows Putin is never going along with a ceasefire and NATO troops in Ukraine as peacekeepers so he figured out a way to keep arming Ukraine by using the minerals deal to gain support from his base and Congress. This means we would be spending money to protect our financial interests. Smart.
Zelensky was understandably against the minerals deal but had to face reality and after a week of being insulted finally agreed as he needed US support to continue the war. Probably not too happy about it as it makes him look weak selling off Ukraines resources to continue what must now be an unpopular war but his hands were tied, as he needs weapons to fight on.
Plus he probably had a pretty good idea Putin would never agree to a ceasefire without conditions the US would be unable to accept such as no NATO member state troops in Ukraine and conceding all of the territory in the Oblasts Putin has declared to be Russia, including territory they have not occupied. So he did not need to link the minerals deal to a security arrangement, all he needed for Ukraines security in his mind was for the US to continue sending weapons.
However, there were many in Trumps camp who saw through the minerals deal and were displeased. US would continue to spend money on weapons now in exchange for resources that may not pay off for many years after the fighting ends. They wanted a clean break but didn’t necessarily want to hand Putin Ukraine on a silver platter. Hard to do both. So somebody had the brilliant idea of staging a clean break with Ukraine, and doing so in a way to get Europe to take the reigns and pay for the whole party, backed by the $300 billion in Russia Central Bank Assets that were seized from EU banks and bringing EU member states military sending to 5% of GDP which was Trumps target. Much of their increased spending will go to US defense contractors
in January, Trump called on members of NATO to boost spending on defense to 5% of the country’s GDP, more than doubling the current requirement of 2% that some member states do not reach (US spends 3% of GDP on military).
The EU member states population would resist this if just based on Trumps threats, but now after this meeting they may be eager to do so to rescue poor Zelensky and Ukraine from the Trump-Putin Alliance which they will be told threatens all of Europe. After all, Trumps threatening tariffs on Europe and wants to steal Greenland. Trumps America is no longer seen as a friend and seems to be siding with the Great Demon Putin
The US is now free to play good cop to Europes/UK bad cop with Putin, perhaps receiving even a more lucrative Minerals Deal with Russia and perhaps weaken a Russia-China alliance by offering to remove sanctions on Putin friendly oligarchs, all while selling weapons to Europe for Ukraine and providing technical-satellite support . Not saying this will work because I don’t think Putins that dumb
So I think what the meeting was about was to stage a Clean Break with Ukraine and Zelensky in a way to gain enough sympathy for Zelensky in Europe that Europe will take on the burden of financing the war. Europe has already provided 60% of the aid delivered to Ukraine. The US has only delivered 1/3 of Trumps $350 billion claim.
So anyways, the meeting in front of the press taking place before discussions had concluded and the signing should have seemed a bit strange but then everything about Trump 2.0 seems strange. It seemed Zelensky had some details he still wanted to discuss with Trump based on his early comments.
And of course, we count that America will not stop support. Really for us, is very important to support and to continue it. I want to discuss it with details further during our conversation. And of course, the infrastructure or security guarantees, because for today, I understand what Europe is ready to do. And of course, I want to discuss with you what United States will be ready to do.
Normally these things are held after business is concluded and talking points are settled.
The first 40 or so minutes went fine. Trump let a few of Zelensky’s contrary comments slide having decided to conduct the ambush at the end when he cued his pit bull JD Vance to step in after announcing he was taking his last question.
JD starts off innocuously dangling the bait of diplomacy, but Zelensky is no fan of JD and so he takes the bait to weigh in again about how Putin cant be trusted to honor any agreement.
Instead of continuing the discussion in a reasonable fashion JD goes into attack mode.
JD is a great debater and Zelensky is not very fluent in English so JD could easily have countered Zelensky points but he was not interested in discussion. His job was to set the stage for a Clean Break by goading Zelensky into saying something Trump could jump on, which Zelensky kindly did
VANCE: Hey, I want to respond to this. So, look, for four years the United States of America, we had a president who stood up at press conferences and talked tough about Vladimir Putin, and then Putin invaded Ukraine and destroyed a significant chunk of the country. The path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy. We tried the pathway of Joe Biden, of thumping our chest and pretending that the President of the United States’ words mattered more than the President of the United States’ actions. What makes America a good country is America engaging in diplomacy. That’s what President Trump is doing.
ZELENSKYY: Can I ask you?
VANCE: Sure.
ZELENSKYY: Yeah?
VANCE: Yeah.
ZELENSKYY: Okay, he occupied our parts, big parts of Ukraine, part of East and Crimea, so he occupied it in 2014. So, during a lot of years, I’m not speaking about just Biden, but those time was … President Obama, then President Trump, then President Biden, now President Trump and, god bless, now President Trump will stop him. But during 2014, nobody stopped him. He just occupied and took. He killed people, you know? What the contact line—
TRUMP: 2015.
ZELENSKYY: 2014.
VANCE: 2014 to 2015.
TRUMP: Oh, 2014.
ZELENSKYY: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so.
TRUMP: I was not here.
ZELENSKYY: Yeah, but…
VANCE: That’s exactly right.
ZELENSKYY: Yes, but during 2014 til 2022, the situation the same that people have been dying on the contact line. Nobody stopped him. You know that we had conversations with him, a lot of conversations, multilateral conversations. And we signed with him, me, like a new president in 2019, I signed with him the deal. I signed with him, Macron and Merkel, we signed ceasefire. Ceasefire, all of them told me that he will never go, we signed with him a gas contract … Yes, but after that he broke the ceasefire, he killed our people and he didn’t exchange prisoners. We signed the exchange of prisoners, but he didn’t do it. What kind of diplomacy, JD, you are speaking about? What do you mean?
VANCE: I’m talking about the kind of diplomacy that’s going to end the destruction of your country.
ZELENSKYY: Yes, but if you—
VANCE: Mr. President, Mr. President, with respect I think it’s disrespectful for you to come into the Oval Office and try to litigate this in front of the American media. Right now, you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you have manpower problems. You should be thanking the president for trying to bring an end to this conflict.
ZELENSKYY: Have you ever been to Ukraine that you see what problems we have?
VANCE: I have been to—
ZELENSKYY: Come once.
VANCE: I have actually watched and seen the stories and I know what happens is you bring people, you bring them on a propaganda tour, Mr. President. Do you disagree that you’ve had problems bringing people into your military?
ZELENSKYY: We have problems—
VANCE: And do you think that it’s respectful to come to the Oval Office of the United States of America and attack the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your country?
ZELENSKYY: A lot of questions. Let’s start from the beginning.
VANCE: Sure.
ZELENSKYY: First of all, during the war, everybody has problems. Even you, but you have nice ocean and don’t feel now, but you’ll feel it in the future. God bless, god bless—
TRUMP: You don’t know that. You don’t know—don’t tell us what we’re gonna feel. We’re trying to solve a problem. Don’t tell us what we’re gonna feel.
ZELENSKYY: I’m not telling you, I’m answering on the question—
TRUMP: Because you’re in no position to dictate that.
VANCE: That’s exactly what you’re doing.
TRUMP: You’re in no position to dictate what we’re gonna feel, we’re going to feel very good. We’re going to feel very good and very strong—
ZELENSKYY: You will feel influence—
TRUMP: You’re right now not in a very good position. You’ve allowed yourself to be in a very bad position and he happens to be right about it.
ZELESKYY: From the very beginning of the war—
TRUMP: You’re not in a good position. You don’t have the cards right now. With us, you start having cards.
ZELENSKYY: I’m not playing cards. [INAUDIBLE] Mr. President, [INAUDIBLE].
[CROSSTALK]
TRUMP: Right now you’re—you’re playing cards, you’re playing cards—you’re gambling with the lives of millions of people. You’re gambling with World War III. You’re gambling with World War III. And what you’re doing is very disrespectful to the country, this country. It’s backed you far more than a lot of people said they should have.
VANCE: Have you said ‘thank you’ once this entire time?
ZELENSKYY: A lot of times.
VANCE: No, in this—
ZELENSKYY: Even today. Even today—
VANCE: No, in this entire meeting. You went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in October. Offer some words of appreciation for the United States of America and the president who’s trying to save your country.
ZELENSKYY: Please, you think that if you will speak very loudly about the war—
TRUMP: He’s not speaking loudly. He’s not speaking loudly. Your country’s in big trouble.
ZELENSKYY: Can I? Can I answer?—
TRUMP: Wait a minute. No, no. You’ve done a lot of talking. Your country is in big trouble.
ZELENSKYY: I know. I know.
TRUMP: You’re not winning, you're not winning this. You have a damn good chance of coming out okay because of us.
ZELENSKYY: Mr. President, we are staying in our country, staying strong. From the very beginning of the war we have been alone and we are thankful. I said thanks in this cabinet, [INAUDIBLE], I said thanks—
TRUMP: You haven’t been alone. You haven’t been alone. We gave you—through this stupid president—$350 billion—
ZELENSKYY: You voted for your president.
TRUMP: We gave you military equipment and your men are brave but they had to use our military—if you didn’t have our military equipment, if you didn’t have our military equipment, this war would have been over in two weeks.
ZELENSKYY: In three days, I heard it from Putin, in three days—
TRUMP: Maybe less.
ZELENSKYY: In two weeks, of course—
TRUMP: It’s going to be a very hard thing to do business like this, I tell you.
VANCE: Just say thank you.
ZELENSKYY: I said a lot of times, thank you to American people—
VANCE: Accept that there are disagreements and let’s go litigate those disagreements rather than trying to fight it out in the American media when you’re wrong. We know that you’re wrong.
TRUMP: But you see, I think it’s good for the American people to see what’s going on. I think it’s very important, that’s why I kept this going so long. You have to be thankful—
ZELENSKYY: I’m thankful—
TRUMP: You don’t have the cards. You’re buried there, your people are dying, you’re running low on soldiers—listen. You’re running low on soldiers, it would be a damn good thing. Then you tell us: ‘I don’t want a ceasefire, I don’t want a ceasefire, I want to go, and I want this—.’ Look, if you could get a ceasefire right now, I tell you you’d take it so the bullets stop flying and your men stop getting killed.
ZELENSKYY: Of course, of course we want to stop the war.
TRUMP: But you’re saying you don’t want a ceasefire—
ZELENSKYY: What I said to you—
TRUMP: I want a ceasefire. Because you get a ceasefire faster than an agreement.
ZELENSKYY: With guarantees. Ask our people about ceasefire, what they think. It doesn’t matter for you what—
TRUMP: That wasn’t with me. That wasn’t with me.
[CROSSTALK]
TRUMP: That was with a guy named Biden who is not a smart person—That was with Obama.
ZELENSKYY: That was your president. It was your president—
TRUMP: Excuse me, that was with Obama who gave you sheets, and I gave you javelins.
ZELENSKYY: Yes.
TRUMP: I gave you the javelins to take out all those tanks. Obama gave you sheets. In fact, the statement is: Obama gave sheets and Trump gave javelins. You gotta be more thankful. Because let me tell you, you don’t have the cards. With us, you have the cards. But without us, you don’t have any cards.
REPORTER: One more question…
TRUMP: It's going to be a tough deal to make. Because attitudes have to change.
REPORTER: What if Russia breaks ceasefire? What if Russia breaks [INAUDIBLE]?
TRUMP: What are you saying?
VANCE: She’s asking, ‘what if Russia breaks the ceasefire?’
TRUMP: Well what if they—what if anything! What if a bomb drops on your head right now? Okay? What if they broke it? I don’t know.……
TRUMP: The problem is I’ve empowered you [looks at Zelenskyy] to be a tough guy. And I don’t think you’d be a tough guy without the United States. And your people are very brave.
ZELENSKYY: Thank you.
TRUMP: But you’re either going to make a deal, or we’re out. And if we’re out, you’ll fight it out. I don’t think it’s going to be pretty, but you’ll fight it out. But you don’t have the cards. But once we sign that deal, you’re in a much better position. But you’re not acting at all thankful, and that’s not a nice thing. I’ll be honest, that’s not a nice thing.
TRUMP: Alright, I think we’ve seen enough, what do you think? This is going to be great television, I will say that.
Great Television is right. Cartoonish, but entertaining.
End
Further to my prior comment here in this thread, of interest, is the latest article by Ron Unz published at The Unz Review:
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-political-conspiracies-and-the-french-revolution/
A quote from Unz's article:
"According to Webster, another very important strand in these secret societies dedicated to subverting established European order was Jewish Cabalism, which was a major root of the support for magic and supernatural rituals often found in those organizations."
Just a bit of background with respect to me: I was banned from commenting at the Unz Review, by Ron Unz, fairly recently, after a nearly 800,000 word comment history over several years, with regards to my takes on Jim Haslam's takes on the origins of sars-cov-2, as outlined in Haslam's recent book, "COVID-19: Mystery Solved: It leaked from a Wuhan lab but it's not Chinese junk:", and Unz's fairly recent discussion of that topic. Ron Unz refuses to see that the overall sars-cov-2 phenomenon, as lab-provenanced, contains manifold links with the unwarranted and coerced mRNA covid vaccine phenomenon, discounts (but mostly just ignores) all the evidence for said links, and derides and mocks anyone that provides commentary on said links. That is why I was banned (Unz cannot answer my criticisms of this his stance on this narrow tropic).
Anyways, one takeaway on this latest Ron Unz article is that Ron Unz is very loosely insinuating that perhaps Jewish Cabalism is behind much intrigue associated with strange but course-changing world events of the last centuries and perhaps even the current century. I had commented along these lines at The Unz Review in the few weeks after the events of October 7, 2023 in Palestine/Israel, speculating that this brand of Jewish and Judaic esotericism indeed is informing the strange events occurring now in Palestine/Israel, as per the strange ideological views of the Jewish settler community, 800,000 strong, in the West Bank, (as surprisingly, as it turns out, is supported by many of those chosen by Trump for his cabinet, including Robert Kennedy Jr,. as per their associations with the American Chabad-Lubavitch community). As such I made and offered predictions that Benjamin Netanyahu would not be ousted within the 2 months following October 7, 2023, which Unz and most of the writers he publishes at The Unz Review, and commenters too, were sure would happen. As well, Unz at one strange point, in my exchanges with Unz, leading up to the Trump election win (or soon thereafter) was Unz`s purposeful misinterpretation of Candace Owen`s public comments about this strange American Chabad-Lubavitch association of Robert Kennedy Jr. and many others. He brought up Candace Owens, not me, .... I only offered response comments on the likely correct interpretations of her stance, while Unz strongly sought to dismiss her outright, as dimwitted (and for the record, Candace Owens is getting close to the truth, to my mind, but still fails re featuring it as a Christian good/evil dichotomy, which is a simplistic cop-out, to my mind, as is that commenting I offered Unz). I suffered unwarranted Unz wrath, due to these comments, and this began a cycle whereby a whole host of my comments would be regularly trashed (blocked) by Unz.
As I outlined in my earlier comment on this thread, there does exist deep Jewish psychological/spiritual intrigue with respect to the source of Jewish/Judaic/Zionist supremacism, in particular, and how that may inform other brands of supremacism, as well. Coles Notes: I think the glorious charlatan Carlos Castaneda was indeed onto something important, with respect to his overall
offerings - i.e. - unknown non-human influences, covertly abound, perhaps. Perhaps we are witnessing a course-changing hidden manifestation, of just that, in the Middle East and subverted America/The West, right now. It may be that Unz, being highly intelligent, sees the bread crumbs to this emerging narrative, subtly entertains, but in the main, balks, and takes it out on more intuitive people like me (and I only subtly insinuated such, in exchanges with Unz, to spare him of his large psychological dollop of unwarranted arrogance, and thus spare myself of too much of his unwarranted wrath, that got me in the end anyways, likes so many other intelligent commenters at The Unz Review, forced to depart, like myself).
It is hard to know how to analyze Unz. To wit: I am very suspicious of Unz's claims that Johnathan Greenblatt and the ADL are too afraid to debate him, and that is why no such debate ensues. There are ways to force such debate, if Ron Unz is sincere in his such claim, that he will wipe the floor with Greenblatt and the ADL in a debate (as I repetitively counseled Unz, just how, with no response of his ever so-elicited). A meme of Jews: Jews agree to disagree, and then agree to stay in respective lanes, subterfugic divide-and-conquer-style. How am I to process this my suspicion, given Unz's otherwise stellar work on Jewish Question issues, for which no public traction ensues, though, despite Unz's express wishes for said traction? The Unz Review, as published by a Jew, should be widely debated, especially with the Jewish community-proper, and it is not.
I agree the oval office meeting in front of press, with Zelenskyy, looked very much like a premeditated two-on-one set-up, as signaled to Vance by Trump, "one last question". However Zelenskyy was lying when he claimed more than once that Putin broke the Minsk Agreements. That was Ukraine that broke those agreements, and Zelenskyy personally, re later actions upon the 2nd such agreement, as instructed to by western powers. My takeaway re Trump's public rhetoric leading up to the oval office meeting with Zelenskyy, and his non-acceptance of the 'growing Russian aggression' meme, right to Zelenskyy's face (precisely where in the convo Trump jumped on Zelenskyy) is that Trump is insinuating that Ukraine started the war under Zelenskyy, which is sort of true. But of course Trump leaves out the part about said war actually provenanced as instigated by the west, except to say that if he was president then, none of this would have happened, thus blaming it all on Biden. However during Trump's first presidency he did pay to arm the growing Ukraine army. And Angela Merkel is on record stating that the Minsk Agreements were just a ruse, and not genuine negotiations for peace in the Donbass, in order to buy time to build up the Ukraine army.
The Russian admin intimately knows all of this.
Trump wants to protect the petrodollar currency scam (he constantly signals just that). The American petrodollar trillions in loot scammed from the rest of the world has been used primarily to fight wars and project brute hegemonic military power, in order to promote the Greater Israel Zionist project, as per many many worthy commentators - Jeffery Sachs for instance. Trump is primarily for that Greater Israel Zionist project, above all else, motivations-wise, it seems very likely (i.e - same old, same old, but the covert subterfugic redirections are more theatrical now, under Trump, because we are now entering the vicinity of the pre-planned climatic scene).
Jewish financiers stationed in Wall Street and City of London hold Samson Option dibs (via the derivatives market) on the petrodollar house-of-cards and the western leaderships are under constant covert threat of Jewish sabotage of the entire global financial system, as it stands now, that would bring everyone into an ugly global economic depression.
The petrodollar currency scam is slowly coming under greater and greater threat via BRICS actions. 2025 - 2029 (Trump's 2nd presidency) is different that way vs. his first presidency (2017 - 2021). The Biden admin (with other western powers) tries for regime change in Russia, via Ukraine conflict, to bring Russia's fungible energy assets directly into the petrodollar orbit, to try to better consolidate the scam in an evolving world order of falling American economic influence, have failed. It looks like Trump was probably OK with those earlier tries, despite what he publicly says otherwise, because he agreed to pay to build up the Ukraine army during his first presidency, thus supporting the western ruse that the Minsk Agreements were.
So my overall takeaway is that the Ukraine conflict will continue as long as possible, but not under American leadership, but under the 2nd tier of the Zionist minions, the Europeans, and tertiarily by other Nato Zionist minions like Canada, but at a lower simmer, that will not escalate towards a world war 3 commencement provenanced in that Ukraine/Russia region, in order to try to keep Russia unfocused for the upcoming American grand play: A world war 3 commencement in the Middle East, to more directly serve the direct aims of the Greater Israel Zionist Project.
To my mind there are plenty of signs that the Greater Israel Zionist project is operating, not on just usurpment on the geopolitical fronts. It is deeper than just that. There is also an AI front. There is also a biologics front (sars-cov-2 is emblematic re this biologics front). We must understand, this particular project is not just about puerile tries for supremacism (a childish fantasy, this supremacism), ... because it is inclusive of covert tries for fashioning an actual human 2.0 for the select few (billionaires, as led by Jewish billionaires, and their few minions) to lord it over the vast expanse of us human 1.0's This project is extremely extremely dangerous and must be stopped. It might end us all in ways we do not have an inkling upon, understanding-wise (especially not even the billionaires and their minions that want to live for 500 years, at the expense of all other people on earth). Jeffrey Sachs hasn't put it entirely together yet (however he is the one commentator of merit with good platform reach that seems to see the most). We should try to draft him into a movement to replace the current president in America (i.e. - civil war in America instead of world war 3 commencement in the Middle East, would be better). Elon Musk would likely turn on Trump at the most opportune moment, in such internal conflict. There is hope. There are allies, with power, waiting in the wings.
It is true we humans do need a foil. Our spirit requires this. It should be the cosmos (or infinite reality, perhaps better said), though, as per Musk's vision, and not each other. The time of using other people as spiritual foils is over. We gotta do something different now. And we need to do it together, which means not in secret, with subterfuge, duplicity and back-stabbing. Somehow, we humans, are glorious. We do not really understand, precisely how. To my mind we are just a glorious manifestation of the glorious life-force, which of course, we really do not understand. We need to find out together. 'Together' is the prescription.
This brand of supremacism is insanity, to my mind. Jewish insanity in particular. I already explained how this insanity is, in my comment in your most recent other article. There are all sorts of tells. What is Judaic or Jewish esotericism? Well, the Kabbala purports to know the nature of the mind of God (which is not possible). Look, ... it is probable there are non-human powers of sorts, out there or residing here on earth even, within the unknown (and I don;t really mean space aliens, ... more like unknown influences). A worthy speculation is just this: The Jews in particular have been inviting in these unknown powers, perhaps, ... playing with fire, perhaps.